When Does Tribulation Start?
UpDate from Dec 1, 2009
I have started getting several emails asking about the same thing..... Many seem to believe the final "week" spoken by the angel in Dan 9:27 is a full term 7-year period. Well, just maybe the .... peace agreement...... will be confirmed as a full term 7-year period ......but.... does this mean the angel's "Week" must be a full 7-year term too? .... I don't think so.......... Why ???
Because our Messiah Himself told us these days would be shortened..... and then the angel in Daniel chapter 8 tells us very plainly that the full day count beginning from Little Horn (antichrist) through the abomination in the midst, and then all the way to the end when the Sanctuary is cleansed is a total of 2300 days.
The first thing folks do when they hear about the timeline (which is the normal reaction), is to automatically count backward either 1290 days or 1260 days from March 2013 to what would seem to be the beginning of the "Week" only to find that nothing happened and then they ask me, "What happened??"
What happened seems to be all the pre-programming done to all of us by false doctrines. If we had only read for ourselves to hear the truth from the "Word of God" through His Scriptures, and NOT accepted over and over what we were told He said, we could not have been mislead.
To the best of my knowledge, there is NOT one verse that says the angel's .... "week" .... is made up of a beginning period of 1260 or 1290 days, and then the abomination in the midst, and then a second 1260 day period to the end...... not one that I know of.
What the scripture relates is this:
Whenever some covenant-agreement is confirmed with the many, (supposed peace for land deal)...... this is the signal..... that marks the beginning of the angel's final "week." This signal seems to be kind of a timing marker to reveal when to expect the Abomination that begins the Great Tribulation / the 1260 days to the end of Tribulation.....
Tribulation is not 7 years long, it begins exactly when our Messiah said it would..... "When you see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet." This is the beginning of tribulation which will last for 1260 days to the end. And then comes the days immediatedly following tribulation when we will see our Messiah coming with power and great glory. (Mat 24:29-30)
OK now, where do the 2300 days fit in?
As stated above, it is one thing that some agreement might be established as a FULL-TERM 7- year agreement.......BUT....... it is another thing altogether to automatically assume the angel's final "Week" is also a FULL-TERM 7-year period too....... WHY ?......... Because Yeshua told us very plainly that the days would be shortened or no flesh would survive.
Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Now, if the days will be shortened then how short and still fit all the Prophecy??? In Daniel chapter 8, the angel told Daniel certain things concerning the end times and he gave Daniel very precise day count ........2300 days..... which is clearly NOT a full-term 7 year period.
Here is the Scripture In Daniel chapter 8, where Daniel is told of a “little horn” that comes up in the latter time / years and the little Horn magnifies himself to the point he has enough power that it is by him the daily sacrifice is taken away and the sanctuary is trodden under foot etc.etc...AND, Daniel is told without question how long this certain period from the Little Horn to the sanctuary cleansing will be… The angel says it will be 2300 days.
Da 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Da 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Da 8:13-14 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Some say the 2300 days in Dan 8:14 should only be counted as 1150 days (exactly half) and they use the phrase "evenings and mornings" from verse 26 as their evidence. But … according to Torah, (Gen 1:5) our Father said in His own words, "the evening
(eh'-reb) and the morning (
) was the first day
(yome)," and again in Gen. 1:8, 13, 19, 23, and 31.... Now, since He tells us very plainly that ONE evening and morning equaled ONE day , and how SIX evenings and mornings equaled SIX days of creation, therefore 2300 evenings (eh'-reb) and mornings ( bo'-ker ) can most definitely equal 2300 days
If 2010 is the correct year, shouldn't we be able to locate this 2300 day period and where it fits, and shouldn't it fit all the prophecy ....and.... assuming Daniel's Timeline is correct, shouldn't it fit with the 5 year old DVD presentation too? Of course the answer should be yes to all of the things.
First of all, we must ALWAYS go by what the Scripture of Truth actually tells us.... Here is what the Scripture says about when the final week can begin:
Da 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Da 9:26-27 And AFTER threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The word "Weeks" is translated from the word "Shabuwa / Shabu'iym" which means not only a group of 7 but also "Feast of Weeks." ( Shavuot or better known as Pentecost in the Christian community )
So, In summery, the angel basically tells Daniel how a threescore and two week count begins from a commandment to restore (Nov 29, 1947), and then, AFTER this period of threescore and two weeks pass....... (either 62 years or 62 Shavuots)........, then some covenant/agreement would be set up for the remaining "Week" (2300 days) only to be broken in the midst. which in turn results in the abomination that begins the 1260 days of the "Great Tribulation to the end.
Now, assuming the phrase “After 62 Weeks” should be counted in terms of YEARS, means it would fall sometime after Nov. 29th of 2009 has passed bringing us to early 2010 ....... BUT... counting the “After 62 Weeks” phrase in terms of SHAVUOTS, pinpoints it much clearer.
The phrase, "After threescore and two Shavuots," brings attention to the 63rd Feast of Weeks / Shavuot. ......The 63rd Feast of Weeks just happens to be this coming Feast of Weeks of 2010... (May 19, 2010 on the Rabbinic/Exile calendar).
Since it was our Messiah Himself who told us the days would be shortened, and without breaking the Scripture or the Prophecy, just how many actual days could the “week” be ... and still include a "week" of Shavuots (7) ? Daniel chapter 8 seems to give us the answer when the angel undisputedly said, “2300 days.” ( “And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.” )
So what we find is this:
Beginning from this coming Rabbinic Shavuot (May 19, 2010), the 63rd one from the commandment that went forth in Nov. of 1947, and counting all the way to the end of Tribulation (Sept. 2nd of 2016), exactly as presented in the 2005 Daniel's Timeline DVD, falls precisely as Teshuva (40 days of repentance ) begins on the following evening (Sept. 3rd 2016.) "And the evening and the morning was the first day" (Gen 1) ------- the evening of the 3rd into the morning of the 4th is the first day of Teshuva.
This period of time (from the 63rd Shavuot to Teshuva of 2016) is exactly 2300 evenings and mornings to the day!
And of course, Teshuva, the 40 days of repentance, (the days immediately following tribulation / Mat 24) includes the Feast of Trumpets (the Last Trump), and ends on Yom Kippur (judgment), with the Wedding Feast (Feast of Booths) shortly after.
Notice that a week of Shavuots have also come and gone with 2010 being the 1st of seven and 2016 being the 7th. And, according to the Scripture, everything is completed within the 70 weeks determined or given (Dan 9:24).
What are the odds of this occurring now at this particular time, in our lifetime, and in this particular set of years, and fit the worldly current events, and fit the Prophecy, and fit Daniel's Timeline too !!!???….. The odds of all these things coming together like this are off the chart.
Daniel's Timeline, recorded almost 5 years ago, seems to be right on schedule. According to the worldly events it sounds like we are on the very threshold of a "covenant with the many" being confirmed......We will have to wait and see
Now..... what is the "Confirmed Covenant With The Many" ??
From Daniel 9:27 we read: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"
As this coming Shavuot approaches (the 63rd Shavuot - Feast of Weeks - Pentecost since the commandment went forth back in Nov of 1947) I am concerned that everyone seems to be in the preconceived mind-set of expecting a formal "sit down signing" of some earth shaking peace for land deal. Maybe, just maybe, the covenant confirmed with the many may not be like that at all..........
We need to remember how the Nov 1947 commandment to restore (Shuwb: to return) Jerusalem was overlooked by 50 years to the significance of its impact on fulfilled prophecy and the end times. No one connected the dots on this until the year 2000.
Here are only two entries made in UN resolution #181 from November 1947 confirming a return of the City of Jerusalem:
3. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.
2. In so far as Holy Places are concerned, the liberty of access, visit and transit shall be guaranteed, in conformity with existing rights, to all residents and citizens of the other State and of the City of Jerusalem, as well as to aliens, without distinction as to nationality, subject to requirements of national security, public order and decorum.
Now, since the scripture only says "he will confirm the covenant with the many for one "Week,"....... The following are questions that we should be asking :
1. What is the covenant that gets confirmed, peace for land, some nuclear deal, or something else altogether?
2. Will the covenant be something completely new or something reaffirmed from a past document ?
3. Who is the many, the UN, the Arab League, the EU, the Middle East Quartet, or a combination ?
4. Will the confirmation come as some formal signing or only as a verbal commitment at first ?
5. Will Israel be a co-partner in the covenant or do they get pushed into the mix ?
6. Will we see this covenant announced in the news media or come by way of the Internet ?
7. Will the convenant confirmation be an obvious event, realized by everyone, or only by those who have been watching ?
All I am trying to say is that we need to be watchmen in tune with the events going on around us so the "confirmed covenant with the many" ( which may or may not be some peace for land arrangement) does not get by us unnoticed.
We cannot afford to be tunnel-visioned only looking for ONE preconceived idea of what "he shall confirm the covenant with the many" means and miss the fulfillment of this prophecy. We simply do not have the time to let this one get by us.